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No More Button Mashing In Fight Night Round 4

By | May 16, 2009 | Uncategorized |

Time for a story back from EA Vancouver, home of Fight Night Round 4 (FNR4). When we got to mess around with the game, one of the pressing issues was buttons. It was rumored that they wouldn’t make it into the game, which could potentially be a dangerous move, or it could pay off in the long run.

Here is the problem, in Fight Night Round 3 (FNR3), users were able to either use the Total Punch Control scheme which is only the bottom right stick, or a second option, which could use a mixture of buttons, consisting of A, B, Y and X.  However, in FNR4, the buttons are gone, removing the luck factor, and forcing players to use the bottom right stick to throw any punches.

My response for EA at the time was,

“While I can understand that buttons not be used for competitive, ranked play, due to the fact that button mashing plays a role in the outcome, I still think it should remain an option in the offline campaigns.”

EA Sports community manager, sk88z, defended the decision, which we somewhat agree with,

Here’s my take, and by no means is this an official statement from EA or the Fight Night team.

I played the first Fight Night with the original stick and with most games, I do my best to try to understand what the developers of a game has in mind when they put in the time to create control schemes and gameplay ideas. I was easily hooked on the new concept of using the right stick to punch because it mimics the punches and feels like I’m throwing a punch rather than just pushing a button. There was pleasure in pulling back for a punch and then following through and it felt pretty good.

Total Punch Control adapted and changed and while some who mastered the original controls were irked about the change, they adapted to the controls and, like myself, understood the reasoning behind the changes such as it was the extra wind up and follow through for haymakers. Some liked it, some didn’t. I didn’t mind it, as again, I do my best to appreciate what the devs had in mind. What I didn’t like was how long it took to pull off combos having to crank back each punch. It could be done, but maybe there was a better way.

All the while, there was the option of using buttons to punch. Unfortunately, no matter how good people got on the sticks to punch, the buttons were just a tad faster it seemed and at the end of the day for gamers who will push the limits to win (no pun intended), buttons were by far the easier way to win in the game. I went back to play with the buttons just so I could get some online wins though I it did kind of drive me nuts that there seemed to be an unbalance in the game.

And then comes Round 4. It was talked about early that there would be no buttons. Uproar ensued and was expected. Change is tough. And then people found out that TPC was changed as well. More questions and wonder from the even the TPC community. Now the demo has dropped and with the jury still out, the feedback of quick responses have been what has been expected.

Again, my take, the new TPC is the culmination of controls to satisfy both the button user and previous TPC users. You will need to practice, but once you do and find the sweet spots on the stick to throw punches, you will begin to understand what the devs had in mind. The ability to quickly throw 1-2 punches tapping the stick in the proper direction (don’t be lazy and viciously tap, time it like a punch), and then finishing it with a strong hook or uppercut to the head that still feels just right when you connect. No more having to crank back every punch yet the speed of throwing punches can be just as quick as the old button controls. The key here is to take the time master the controls and not to be lazy finding the sweet spots.

I know there will be people that will continue to dig their feet in and fight for buttons. What can I tell ya? For 3 iterations you’ve had chances to try something new, yet for one reason or another, probably because it was slightly quicker to use ‘em to win, buttons were the way to go. For the rest of us that have stepped out of the button-comfort-zone, I’m pretty satisfied with the new controls and look forward to some great fights. I’ve already seen a lot of people that have adapted from buttons to the new TPC and have been very surprised that it’s as quick and responsive as it is after grasping the controls. I am hopeful more people will have the same experiences.

Start working out that thumb folks if you want to go FTW.

We want to know what you think, do you agree with the choice to remove the buttons from Fight Night Round 4?


  • http://intensedebate.com/people/thejdb360 thejdb360

    After trying out the demo to FNR4, I do like the right stick control scheme, but I think that the option for players to revert back to the face buttons should be included.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/cincylp cincylp

      i strongly agree.why take away the option of using the buttons i think it sucks.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/donski29311 Donski

    [polldaddy 1627389 http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/1627389/ polldaddy]

    I'm of the opinion that if they can't be used for competitive play, then there should be no problem including them for the casual players. However, I really respect that they made the game the way that they wanted to and didn't cater to the masses. People will get used to the stick controls soon enough.

    Also, I wanted to try out the new poll feature :)

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/coolmiah1 coolmiah1

    Well i like the idel of TCP i played the demo and I play it everday. but yet and still the bottons are just not smother, but more on point then TCP. I work in marketing and to target each market is to give the PEOPLE what they want. Not what the company thinks that is best for the people
    So I vote TCP and Bottons. Online play should have the option of TCP VS. TCP OR BOTTONS ONLY. Regular game play controls should be tcp and bottons. I don't know why EA is have a hard time with that. pOINT ADDED ea IS BEING SELFISH ON THIS PROJECT THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS NEEDS.

    • daveil112

      yea yea yea every1 talk about button masher wat about stick mashers cause theres alott of u out there that stick suck button users pay the same 60 bucks so we should get wat we pay 4 not some controls that not let u fight ur fight now that all this is goin on its a big deal and i DECLARE war on tpc user when the buttons come make a 1day event were button vs tpc and ill be 1st in line all you have done is talk trash about buttons like theres no skillz wit buttons your really dumb i got the game cause i hear the buttons are coming if and when they do that game will sell out like it was just released all over again you watch and plz do put buttons on like i dont know wat happend but yesterday i was playin a unrankd match wit a friend and i was about 2 ues the buttons its was weird but it felt great 2 throw my own punches i could neva do it again afta that match 4 sum reason

      • daveil112

        sry for the spelling i was sayin i was able to use the buttons

        • http://www.360Sync.com Devin “DaKing240″ Kofsky

          you were able to use the buttons?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/donski29311 Donski

          I think he's trying to say that given the ability to use buttons, he would be good…I think.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/DevinKofsky DaKing240

          nope, turns out a bug brought buttons to the game early… post can be found here to solve any problems – http://www.360sync.com/2009/07/31/having-fnr4-pro…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/szikszai szikszai

    1. The boxer on the screen must move naturally and realistic, not the finger on the right stick
    2. Check all the demos, all the recordings on you tube, on EA site, everything and notice that all the TPC users are not throwing combos like jab straight left hook, jab straight left uppercut to the body or to the head , jab straight left hook to the body left hook to the head and straight again etc or any other type of real boxing combination, because they don`t know them, they have no idea of boxing. Instead, this players and the producer who made the game and the entire team are shocking us with combos like three right hooks in a row followed by a jab or right uppercuts to start a combo when fighting outside or any other combo that in boxing do not exist . They just throw punches with the same hand because it is difficult making a real combination with TPC or if it`s not difficult, it`s slower, especially a combo that starts with a jab and a straight. Bobbing and weaving to them it`s standing on the back or rolling the fighter until he sees an opening so he can throw a big punch to put the opponent into the ko momentum (that`s the luck factor, not the buttons). By removing the buttons you removed the boxing factor, not the luck factor.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/szikszai szikszai

    i propose a test for all the TPC payers : play with a featherweight against a heavyweight on hard mode using only normal punches not a single signature or impact punch or hamaker or how you name them ,just simple hooks jabs straights and uppercuts i'm sure that its impossible for you and you are still talking about luck that the buttons users are trowing lucky punches .its no luck to pres X if X means hook its luck trying to make a hook with TPC and trowing a uppercut that hits somebody who is expecting a hook to block . i do not now any TPC users that can pas my test but y now a lot of buttons users that can .if you are that good on TPC you must be indifferent if they keep or not the buttons ,you will win anyway .i like the configuration 4 [ps3] it has both buttons and TPC i use TPC only after ko momentum to make a real big ko .total control is on buttons not on sticks ,on buttons you do not tire ,the finger do not sweat and you wont have to worry if the move you made will really be a hook + for combos is far better using buttons . buttons shod be included at least off line ,if they put them on line is clear who is making the rules .it wood be nice to have all the configurations from fn3 + the new ones and everybody will be happy

  • scott

    i seriously cant believe they did this… I played the demo over and over and over, its just horrible, not only are the buttons gone, but PARRYING is too, its like the blocking system has totally changed and it makes me feel a little blinder now. Wow they are going to regret this, the sales will be so incredibly bad after the demo hits Live….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/szikszai szikszai

    excelent combos are trowing all TPC users : 4-5 straight punches i a row falowed by 3hooks with the same hand , jabs on the inside fighting or punch and block punch and block or punch and duck even if the opoonent is not punching if you thinck that is boxing i have no wards . those who are good using the TPC are good players not good boxers in the game b'cause what thei are dowing is not boxing at all so even if the game coud be a good simulation of boxing the way you TPC players are playng make him like a tenis simulation not to mention that manny who are standing for TPC do not now how to make a fist , no discution about punching a heavy bag . to punch a personis a dream for you to see how it feels . maybe you shod try your magic combinations in real life to see if works

  • Gerard

    I agree with szikszai. try doing a simple combo like left cross to the body, right hook to the head. that should be an easy combo but try doing that consistently with tpc. real boxing is your tactics knowing when to throw a punch and what punch to throw. the reason a lot of people like the buttons isn't because it's "easier" but because it's realistic! i bet you i could hook you in real life before you can throw a hook with tpc. buttons are more realistic because they are at real life speeds. pushing the button isn't an instant hit, it starts the throw of the punch. the real skill in the game and in real boxing is your timing and decision making not whether you arms will do what they're told or whether you'll throw a hook rather than an uppercut and all tpc fighters do the same punches over and over again not combos!

    • The JT

      That's not true. I've always used TPC and I throw combos better than any button masher. That's because I've spent time understanding the timing and technique behind throwing the punches and what combos are realistic. Any TPC fighter who throws the same punch over and over again (and I do know some) is just a rookie who doesn't understand the dynamics of boxing or the TPC controls.

      • Nygiants2007

        Well I would love to play you online. I bet you wouldn't make of out the first round. I love the buttons and I'm not a button masher, I knock people out at skill

  • T H C ASSASS1N

    Stick controls all the way button bashing is for noobs get skill!!!!

  • kerednij

    I understand the meaning of change, but I agree with coolmia1. It should be what the people want. I know many fn players who refuse to buy fn4 because ea sports eliminated the buttons. And Scott, that parrying was simply horrible and it makes the game extra user friendly, for many people solely rely on that. I do agree that by not including the buttons, the sales would be at a minimum, but as far as the parrying for twelve rounds, refusing to step forward, that doesn't draw a crowd in real boxing; thats arcade playing, not skill.

  • da Mediator C.B

    I feel EA has done a lot to shape the sports gaming process, all they're advances in NFL, NBA, MLB NHL, and MLS have been stupendous; Not to mention the features that that add year after year, EA always seemed to give us what we wanted until this years FN. They sit back and speak of all the features that they're adding to this game and downplay the removal of buttons. To be completely honest it's not the thing that gonna stop sales but it sure will cut them. Not giving us options will mess this up. yes people who love TPC don't care cause they dont use buttons, they think its unfair because they believe the buttons are more responsive; but what about the people who don't get online? who just play with they're friends or are only interested in playing legacy mode? Removing buttons does not benefit the consumer. don't you understand that by removing the buttons your just reversing what you where attempting to fix. people where complaining about how the buttons benefit button users and don't make it fair for those playing with TPC online, well by removing the buttons your just switching the complaining. The obvious answer is to give you the option on the game, buttons or TPC; and online have sections dedicated to the TPC players and another dedicated to button pushers; that way everyone's happy. At that point the only people who can cry and moan are those who cross over and that would be they're own fault. When it really gets down to it buttons do have the edge but only because they respond in a way that are suppose to. People who hate button pushers don't u understand that by declaring how unfair something is. your just showing how inefficient what ever your supporting is.Buttons do exactly what they're intended to do they've been that way since KK, if your good at TPC so be it, but don't talk about people complaining about something not being fair when y'all are so relived buttons are gone cause it harder for you playing a button pusher. What Ive suggested makes it fair for all who enjoy this game; someone get back to me on this cause i think this is the most logical and fair thing to do signing out
    C.B

  • ShoNuff

    I totally agree with Gerard. By removin the buttons and giving people an option to play with it or not, you are taking away the realism/feel of good combo punching. I've played the demo over and over again. And it is entirely to difficult to execute the exact realistic combo that I want. hooks get mistaken for uppercuts. Uppercuts to the head are mistaken for uppercuts to the body. Jabs are confused with crosses. Openings are missed because of it. And everyone knows that boxing is about timing.

  • The JT

    I've done that a lot. In fact that's why I hope they actually increase the CPU AI difficulty because "hard" mode in FNR3 was only hard when my career fighters were in their late 40s…

  • nono

    noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • sparkygilligan

    I THINK THEY SHOULD'VE LEFT THE BUTTONS IN THEY MADE A GREAT GAME THE LAST TIME AND NOW THEY'VE MESSED IT UP IT WORKED WIT BOTH TYPES OF CONTROLS LAST TIME Y CHANGE SOMETHING THAT MADE IT GREAT? I FOR PLAYED THE DEMO AND I WAS ALL SET TO BUY THE GAME BUT IM THINKING OF GIVIN IT A MISS JUST OVER THE TPC AND NO BUTTONS ISSUE SRY BUT I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL FEEL THE SAME

  • Ric

    I've played the demo countless times in an attempt to get acclimated to the TPC. My biggest issue with the controls is having a 50/50 chance of throwing the punch that I intended to throw. It's shouldn't be that difficult, especially in boxing. I know all the TPC users claim it's a skill to use that control system and I agree to a degree. However, the true skill is the fighting itself and you need smooth and fluid movement and controls that respond to what you what them to do. I'm a button user and a very skilled button user (timing, combos, etc.). I don't just mash buttons and I have to believe in doing so would get you nowhere but exhausted and ko'd in the game. Only people with no concept of boxing or how to fight would just "button mash" as TPC users like to call it. The way I see it most TPC are like the so called "button mashers" because they often just throw the same punches over and over. I think EA made a BIG mistake by not giving its consumers the option of punch control. It's especially disappointing for me because I've been waiting for what seems like forever for this game and have been greatly disappointed by the demo overall – not just the TPC issue. I would have still purchased the game anyway, but with no button control…Not a chance.

  • FIGHTNIGHTUBASTARD

    Just played demo and it is OFF my buy list, the right analog stick controls suck and everybody who plays with the buttons isn't just button mashing, we just don't like leaning back wanting to though a hook and then lean up and throw an uppercut instead and plus most people who play this game know if you button mash that's a good way to get your stamina down real quick and your boxer will follow it down not to long after that, should have kept the buttons in and let whoever these people are button mashing keep getting knocked out, well guess it's Fight Night Round 3 for me or till they come out with a game that include the use of the buttons maybe Round 5 but who knows how long that will take to come out look how long it took for them to come out with this disappointment.

  • da Mediator C.B

    This could be good news for all us boxing fans who enjoy using the buttons on fight night
    recently i went into the local game stop in my city Pflugerville (right outside of Austin TX) and at the gamestop they had the fight night demo. And get this the craziest thing was the difference between they're demo and ours on there's u could swith the configurations up and use the button no bull shit we still have hope yet idk if this is just a gamestop demos or wat but im excited

  • da Mediator C.B

    This could be good news for all us boxing fans who enjoy using the buttons on fight night i was at my local gamestop and they had configurations as a option on thery're fn demo i hope EA has been messing wit us and brought the same feature to us as well

  • David

    I can't believe they have taken the buttons off !! Great shame, the analogue stick doesn't work for me, spoilt my summer and I won't be buying the game now. Well done EA for messing up another big title game. If it's not broken don't try and fix it !!!!

  • guystrider

    I hope youre right, i miffed off like so many other people about the buttons, use youre heads EA its not about what you want, its about the buying public un screw youre selfs and go and make fight night found 5.

  • elitezeus

    i love fight night but why the hell have u taken away the one thing that made the game not only good but also contraversial. its great that people are divided and hav different opinions on things that wat make stuff liek this interesting. i use config three on xbox 360 which allows me to use buttons and tpc and they both have there uses. anyone who sed button mashers are lucky its a idiot. anyone who randomly taps buttons on fn3 against an average player would get knocked out in round 1.

  • elitezeus

    i use buttons to wear down my oponent with quick counters and combos but if i sense they are vunerble to a big punch ill through a haymaker with tpc or if im losing n have no choice but to try n nock him out. if anything tpc is more luck than judgment with the big stun punchs loads of players online just throw them tie after time and on rare occasion they hit u is that skill? no timing the counter is tho. the only people who moan about buttons are just people who r wak full stop. my fnr3 record is 108-39. which makes me a good player but not great. im sure in my 39 defeats at least half were tpc users but because they were good they beat me. they wernt moaning that i used buttons. but im sure in my 108 victories at leats half were tpc too n they did moan. why cus there weak n they lost. mayb i beat the crap out off one of the ea control desingers so he pulled the buttons haha who knows lol all i no its no buttons no sale for me!!!

  • A Dawg

    I just deleted the demo right after the tutorial. I went to change my controls and couldn't. That means I CANT play the game happily. It's a fucking game. I should be able to enjoy it. I put up with enough BS in real life. Now I gotta come home and delete a game I have been looking anticipating for almost a year becase I WONT enjoy it. I may be a "button masher" but who the fuck cares?

  • Michael

    The only thing I don't get about his reasoning is this. He said that the new TPC layout was as quick and as effective as the buttons, so the buttons aren't needed, right? Well the reason he didn't like the buttons in the last game was because it made it unbalanced, but if they aren't unbalanced anymore then there is no reason to take the button controls out, right?

  • steve

    EA you are dumb arses. Who cares what you think about how the game should be played, some people, most it seem by the poll, want to use the buttons. PUT THEM BACK IN otherwise you will lose sales. Simple as that you clowns.
    Oh, and while you are at it do some market studies on the topic of supply and demand…

  • Fivestar

    someone email me when they put face buttons back on and i'll go buy it. thanks fivestrider@yahoo.com

  • DatDude

    this is absolute bullshit. EA you guys are fuckin stupid. all of my friends play round 3 and none of us like using TPC unless your goin for an instant KO..like wtf is this, guarenteed more people switch over to UFC after playing this piece of shit. like ppl have said before, just make it so you can play against "button mashers" or the faggot "hardcores"…Guarentee you guys regret this decision. part of the fun was being able to play this with a friend when you hang out who doesnt have the game. They were just good enough to compete but you could knock the shit out of them in 2 rounds..now everyone will say its way to complicated, because it is. fucking idiots.

  • szikszai

    a real TPC player do not care if they put buttons or not those who are worried are patetic players i like buttons and i won't change to TPC never so EA is not forcing me to use that right dick i play the way i want if is not posible i'm not buyng and you can suck or stick that analog in your ass EA

  • josh

    tpc is the new button mashing when i used buttons i atleast knew what punch i was throwing now a combo with tpc is all pretty much luck

  • Nightwolf

    If there's going to be no buttom option than i'm staying with my fnr3 and UFC. I think that the players can choose for themself what they whant to play not the company. And if they dont agry then they never had put the buttom option in the previous games. Need to learn whatever i want to pick up my game and play not pratice fpr months to have control. I got planty other games so fnr4 can suck my………

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dantespard29911 DanteSparda504

    I have to say, I was definitely disappointed with the new control scheme, I just do not like playing with the analog stick, all the fun I had with FNR3 is gone.

  • Hec T.

    option thats what is all about , why take this option off on the off line play modes your
    playing a computer not a person or maybe your friend at home but it there choice, take it off the on line option dont care , make your adjustments on the on line not on the actual game , you are doing a severe mistake by taking that options off. why are you so concern on wich control option i use when i'am not on line its my buisness and your trying to control it , talk about being a hypocrite . here you are taking the easy way out of the problem , by making it go away, thats an option too ,just like you say buttons make it to easy , so is eliminating is too, leave it in the game take it off the on line option or get creative on the on line options. with the money you make off these games you would think you can get some more creative, smart , trouble shooter type employees to work for you then to just say get rid of it. maybe you should get rid off them and get some real people with some skills and talent that would please all your consumers.

  • ali

    played the demo, i must sAY get back the buttons. GET BACK THE BUTTONS, seriously i waited too long not to get buttons on it. i used a combination of buttons and analog to fight, buttons for accuracy.

  • max

    if they remove the buttons i aint buying it anlong control is crap

  • Mr. Abdelhadi

    THIS IS BOXING people, NOT STREET FIGHTER 2, Total Punch Control is the ONLY way to play this game and have it feel like BOXING.

    Stop whining about the buttons, they're a crutch for the lazy and unskilled.

    I hate playing all the 12 year-old button mashers online on FN3, because they know nothing of strategy or timing. Its all button-mashing and stun punches…and I KNOCK THEM OUT EVERY TIME WITH TOTAL PUNCH CONTROL. Listen to them freak out on their headset as they realize what a real player can do….

    Invest a few hours and learn to play the game the way its meant to be played.

    DONT BE LAZY. Lose the button-mashing CRUTCH and enjoy this game SO MUCH MORE.

    Mazin "MR. A" Abdelhadi

  • Patrick

    They need to create two Fight Night Round 4's … one with button support and no stick and one with just stick. That way all you stick lovers can go play against yourselfs (hah I bet most would pick the button version)

  • solid martin

    THE STICK IS A BAG OF DONKEY BALLS, I WILL NOT REPEAT NOT BUY THIS GAME IF BUTTONS ARE NOT INCLUDED, IT WAS BAD ENOUGH PLAYING FN3 ONLINE WITH THE FUCKING STICK….. STICK IS SHIT AND ALWAYS WILL BE…. IF ITS SO GOOD WHY DO OTHER GAMES NO USE THE STICK….. THE STICK CAN SUCK MY DICK

  • Cimeon

    Yall mfs who think a stick is better to punch with are retarded as fuck. that shit don't even feel right and why would someone want to throw punches with a stick. how you gonna throw combinations. next thing you know we gonna have to use the stick to shoot in shooting games or some shit

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